Discussion:
Sony blocks firmware bypass
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Jim
2010-04-14 09:31:06 UTC
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http://www.nextgenupdate.com/forums/gaming-news-notes-analysis/131277-bypass-firmware-3-21-no-longer-works.html#post982401
The use a proxy to to tell PSN your uptodate trick no longer works. :(
The alMIGHTY N
2010-04-14 13:32:55 UTC
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http://www.nextgenupdate.com/forums/gaming-news-notes-analysis/131277...
The use a proxy to to tell PSN your uptodate trick no longer works. :(
Did you really expect anything less?
Brenden Chase
2010-04-14 22:41:23 UTC
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Post by The alMIGHTY N
http://www.nextgenupdate.com/forums/gaming-news-notes-analysis/131277...
The use a proxy to to tell PSN your uptodate trick no longer works. :(
Did you really expect anything less?
I like to see that Sony is on top of these things.
Jim
2010-04-15 07:00:08 UTC
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Post by The alMIGHTY N
Did you really expect anything less?
I was hoping Sony would throw us a bone. On the bright side they get PSN
working on PSPs with CFW so it looks like we can expect the usual cat and
mouse game.
Mattinglyfan
2010-04-15 13:11:40 UTC
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I was hoping Sony would throw us a bone.  On the bright side they get PSN
working on PSPs with CFW so it looks like we can expect the usual cat and
mouse game.
What's CFW?
Jim
2010-04-15 15:23:42 UTC
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Post by Mattinglyfan
What's CFW?
Custom firmware aka a hacked PSP instead of official firmware (OFW).
http://pspslimhacks.com/psnfucker-surf-and-game-over-psn-again
The first comments were about being able the PlayStation Store again though
expect cheaters to be back on Resistance again.
The alMIGHTY N
2010-04-16 14:25:13 UTC
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I was hoping Sony would throw us a bone.  On the bright side they get PSN
working on PSPs with CFW so it looks like we can expect the usual cat and
mouse game.
If they were willing to let people use these features without
upgrading their firmware, why would they have blocked this ability in
the first place?
Jim
2010-04-16 15:50:14 UTC
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Post by The alMIGHTY N
If they were willing to let people use these features without
upgrading their firmware, why would they have blocked this ability in
the first place?
Good point. If Sony wanted to be nice they would've just made it optional
update. Now we just get Geohot vs Sony with us caught in the crossfire.
M.S.
2010-04-18 14:49:41 UTC
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I actually find it kinda sad that Sony removed the official support of
Linux.
On the other hand am I happy because it's also kills a possibly soon hack
of the PlayStation 3.

Thinking about it, Sony actually did the right thing.
Hackers already ruined the PSX and PSP by the usage of modchips and
Custom FirmWare (even the PS2 I believe).
The dude who tried to hack Sony's newest console may have failed anyway
in trying it, but blocking Linux kills off the hackers even more than
before.

So I'm sure we wont see a PS3-CFW for now ;)
starwars
2010-04-18 18:23:36 UTC
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Post by M.S.
I actually find it kinda sad that Sony removed the official support of
Linux.
On the other hand am I happy because it's also kills a possibly soon hack
of the PlayStation 3.
Uhm, who gives a shit?
Post by M.S.
Thinking about it,
Apparently not.
Post by M.S.
Sony actually did the right thing.
Says you.
Post by M.S.
Hackers already ruined the PSX and PSP by the usage of modchips and
Custom FirmWare (even the PS2 I believe).
Hey you stupid son of a bitch, how do hackers ruin anything? If you don't
want the mod, don't install it.
Post by M.S.
The dude who tried to hack Sony's newest console may have failed anyway
in trying it, but blocking Linux kills off the hackers even more than
before.
Is that good? Since when are you not allowed to do whatever you want with
your own property, you fucking fascist?
Post by M.S.
So I'm sure we wont see a PS3-CFW for now ;)
Eat shit.
M.S.
2010-04-18 18:50:07 UTC
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Post by starwars
Hey you stupid son of a bitch, how do hackers ruin anything? If you
don't want the mod, don't install it.
I don't see any reason to fight with you.
It is my opinion and I am allowed to say what I think about it.

See... Having the ability to use homebrew applications and games which
aren't licensed by SCE might be a good thing, indeed, but CFWs and
modchips also allows you to use illegal copies of games what is not good
in my eyes.
Neither for Sony nor 3rd-parties nor for the players which will get
nothing but unfinished products or complete bullcrap after the console
first got totally hacked by guys like Dark-Alex who released tons of PSP
CFWs afaik.

If you like to use fanmade apps and games, fine, but that's what the PC
is for.
Post by starwars
Is that good? Since when are you not allowed to do whatever you want
with your own property, you fucking fascist?
Again, there's no reason for you to insult me, just because I said my
opinion.

Of course you're allowed to do whatever you like with stuff you buy, but
sadly these hacks, no matter how interesting they might be, didn't just
get used by people who like to run their own applications on consoles.
Lots of CFW/modchip users mainly use these things so they don't need to
pay the software.

That's what pisses me off.

Oh and one more thing...
If you're just here to troll around and insult users, GTFO!
Doug Jacobs
2010-04-21 22:36:56 UTC
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Post by M.S.
See... Having the ability to use homebrew applications and games which
aren't licensed by SCE might be a good thing, indeed, but CFWs and
modchips also allows you to use illegal copies of games what is not good
in my eyes.
And misuse is the hackers' fault? That's like throwing the guy who made
the kitchen knife into prison for murder and not the murderer.
Post by M.S.
Neither for Sony nor 3rd-parties nor for the players which will get
nothing but unfinished products or complete bullcrap after the console
first got totally hacked by guys like Dark-Alex who released tons of PSP
CFWs afaik.
Um. How exactly did these hacks or CFWs affect folks who didn't download
them? And how does the existence of CFW resultin unfinished products from
Sony? Are you sure you're not confusing CFW with a virus or something?
You're not making any sense here.

Using a hack or installing a CFW is something the user has to do himself.
It does not happen automatically. It is not for the techno-phobic or
ignorant. Hacking your hardware always carries the risk of damaging the
hardware beyond repair, and even the attempt itself will require you to
void all warranties on the hardware.
Post by M.S.
If you like to use fanmade apps and games, fine, but that's what the PC
is for.
You don't get it.
Post by M.S.
Of course you're allowed to do whatever you like with stuff you buy, but
sadly these hacks, no matter how interesting they might be, didn't just
get used by people who like to run their own applications on consoles.
Lots of CFW/modchip users mainly use these things so they don't need to
pay the software.
That's what pisses me off.
It pisses me off too, but what can you do?

Look, everything gets misused. Should we destroy the internet because
it's used for piracy? Should we destroy all kitchen cutlery because it
can be used to stab people? How about banning rope, because you could
strangle someone? Shall we burn books because they can teach people how
to build bombs, or commit murder.

This move of Sony's doesn't really surprise me. Sony has always been VERY
unfriendly as far as the hacker community is concerned. Which is a real
pity, especially after all the hoopla Sony's made about how the PS3 is "so
much more" than just a game console. Well, I guess now it's "more than a
game console"...with a lobotomy."
Post by M.S.
If you're just here to troll around and insult users, GTFO!
Pot, meet Kettle...
--
It's not broken. It's...advanced.
The alMIGHTY N
2010-04-22 14:17:06 UTC
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Post by M.S.
See... Having the ability to use homebrew applications and games which
aren't licensed by SCE might be a good thing, indeed, but CFWs and
modchips also allows you to use illegal copies of games what is not good
in my eyes.
And misuse is the hackers' fault?  That's like throwing the guy who made
the kitchen knife into prison for murder and not the murderer.
As he didn't suggest tossing the people who hacked the PS3 in jail, it
would be at best like criticizing the person who made the kitchen
knife.

Beyond that, the parallel doesn't stand because the kitchen knife
would be used for very practical uses. While someone who hacks the PS3
might not intend for their hack to be used to play illegal copies of
games, nobody can reasonably assume that any significant number of the
user base would use it for any other purpose.

I think there would be good reason to vilify the inventor of the
kitchen knife if, before they invented the knife, they knew that only
about 2% of all people would use it to cook and everyone else who used
it would use it to murder people - even if all they wanted to do was
chop up carrots and slice chicken, the knowledge that the overwhelming
majority of people who used it would use it for nefarious purposes
should be enough to make them think twice about making it easy for
people to do that.
Post by M.S.
Neither for Sony nor 3rd-parties nor for the players which will get
nothing but unfinished products or complete bullcrap after the console
first got totally hacked by guys like Dark-Alex who released tons of PSP
CFWs afaik.
Um.  How exactly did these hacks or CFWs affect folks who didn't download
them?  And how does the existence of CFW resultin unfinished products from
Sony?  Are you sure you're not confusing CFW with a virus or something?  
You're not making any sense here.
Using a hack or installing a CFW is something the user has to do himself.  
It does not happen automatically.  It is not for the techno-phobic or
ignorant.  Hacking your hardware always carries the risk of damaging the
hardware beyond repair, and even the attempt itself will require you to
void all warranties on the hardware.
Actually, a lot of people attribute the poor sales of PSP software to
the existence of the custom firmware. The PSP already wasn't going to
be a blockbuster hit in competition with the DS powerhouse and because
of the rather misguided nature of the product, but the existence of
the firmware pretty much sealed the system's fate. The device itself
sells decently... it's just the games that don't sell too well since a
very significant portion of the user base just downloads the CSOs and
ISOs.

There have been developers who gave up on projects because of the poor
sales due to rampant piracy on the system. It's about as bad as piracy
for the PC was.
Post by M.S.
If you like to use fanmade apps and games, fine, but that's what the PC
is for.
You don't get it.
Post by M.S.
Of course you're allowed to do whatever you like with stuff you buy, but
sadly these hacks, no matter how interesting they might be, didn't just
get used by people who like to run their own applications on consoles.
Lots of CFW/modchip users mainly use these things so they don't need to
pay the software.
That's what pisses me off.
It pisses me off too, but what can you do?
Look, everything gets misused.  Should we destroy the internet because
it's used for piracy?
No, because it has many more uses *and* the majority of people don't
use it to pirate.
Should we destroy all kitchen cutlery because it
can be used to stab people?
No, for the same reason.
How about banning rope, because you could
strangle someone?
Ditto.
Shall we burn books because they can teach people how
to build bombs, or commit murder.
Ditto again.

In each example you gave, a tiny minority of users use it for the
purposes you describe. There's no arguing that the majority of video
game system firmware users use that firmware to pirate games.

To be clear, I agree with you that ultimately you can't kill firmware
and hacks just because they're used for unscrupulous purposes. It's
just that the whole "it's like a knife or a rope used for murder"
correlation doesn't really work.
This move of Sony's doesn't really surprise me.  Sony has always been VERY
unfriendly as far as the hacker community is concerned.
Well, what reason should Sony have to be friendly to the people who
make it possible for the less scrupulous to cheat them out of revenue?
There isn't much of an upside for Sony there - the ability to run
homebrew applications or games doesn't benefit Sony in the least. If
we lived in a world of super nerds, maybe, but only a tiny sliver of
PS3 owners ever installed Linux on their machines which tells you how
many are interested in using the PS3 for anything other than its
intended purpose.
Which is a real
pity, especially after all the hoopla Sony's made about how the PS3 is "so
much more" than just a game console.  Well, I guess now it's "more than a
game console"...with a lobotomy."
Post by M.S.
If you're just here to troll around and insult users, GTFO!
Pot, meet Kettle...
GMAN
2010-04-19 19:07:46 UTC
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Post by starwars
Post by M.S.
I actually find it kinda sad that Sony removed the official support of
Linux.
On the other hand am I happy because it's also kills a possibly soon hack
of the PlayStation 3.
Uhm, who gives a shit?
Post by M.S.
Thinking about it,
Apparently not.
Post by M.S.
Sony actually did the right thing.
Says you.
Post by M.S.
Hackers already ruined the PSX and PSP by the usage of modchips and
Custom FirmWare (even the PS2 I believe).
Hey you stupid son of a bitch, how do hackers ruin anything? If you don't
want the mod, don't install it.
Post by M.S.
The dude who tried to hack Sony's newest console may have failed anyway
in trying it, but blocking Linux kills off the hackers even more than
before.
Is that good? Since when are you not allowed to do whatever you want with
your own property, you fucking fascist?
Since the DMCA prohibits alot of it.
Post by starwars
Post by M.S.
So I'm sure we wont see a PS3-CFW for now ;)
Eat shit.
Fritz Wuehler
2010-04-20 15:47:53 UTC
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Post by GMAN
Post by starwars
Is that good? Since when are you not allowed to do whatever you want with
your own property, you fucking fascist?
Since the DMCA prohibits alot of it.
LOL you dumb fucking fascist puppet, you fucking whore.

Take your DMCA and shove it up your fucking ass.
GMAN
2010-04-20 16:22:10 UTC
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Post by Fritz Wuehler
Post by GMAN
Post by starwars
Is that good? Since when are you not allowed to do whatever you want with
your own property, you fucking fascist?
Since the DMCA prohibits alot of it.
LOL you dumb fucking fascist puppet, you fucking whore.
Take your DMCA and shove it up your fucking ass.
It was Clinton that enacted the DMCA.


I thought it was you who wanted ME to use fruit on your ass????
The alMIGHTY N
2010-04-20 20:17:07 UTC
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On Apr 20, 11:47 am, Fritz Wuehler
Post by Fritz Wuehler
Post by GMAN
Post by starwars
Is that good? Since when are you not allowed to do whatever you want with
your own property, you fucking fascist?
Since the DMCA prohibits alot of it.
LOL you dumb fucking fascist puppet, you fucking whore.
Take your DMCA and shove it up your fucking ass.
Of course, we all know that the best way to refute an argument is to
throw around a lot of expletives and meaningless accusations without
even a shred of intelligent statement.
phexitol
2010-04-21 08:30:10 UTC
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Post by The alMIGHTY N
Of course, we all know that the best way to refute an argument is to
throw around a lot of expletives and meaningless accusations without
even a shred of intelligent statement.
You fucking moron! This is USENET :-P

"Intelligent statements? We don't need no steenkin' intelligent statements!"
Doug Jacobs
2010-04-21 22:40:29 UTC
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Post by GMAN
Post by starwars
Is that good? Since when are you not allowed to do whatever you want with
your own property, you fucking fascist?
Since the DMCA prohibits alot of it.
Which is besides the point, since our friend here is in Germany.

Besides, do you really think Sony would try persecuting someone under the
DMCA for hacking his personal PSP to put his homebrew app on it? That'd
be a pretty nifty case. Might be enough to get the DMCA thrown off the
books.
--
It's not broken. It's...advanced.
The alMIGHTY N
2010-04-22 14:19:06 UTC
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Post by Doug Jacobs
Post by GMAN
Post by starwars
Is that good? Since when are you not allowed to do whatever you want with
your own property, you fucking fascist?
Since the DMCA prohibits alot of it.
Which is besides the point, since our friend here is in Germany.
Besides, do you really think Sony would try persecuting someone under the
DMCA for hacking his personal PSP to put his homebrew app on it?  That'd
be a pretty nifty case. Might be enough to get the DMCA thrown off the
books.
Sony wouldn't bother. There's no point in going after these people
because they're not breaking any actual laws. At worst, they're
nullifying their warranty from Sony. Unfortunately, the percentage of
people who would use custom firmware who would use it for this purpose
is miniscule - most everyone would be playing illegally obtained game
software.
Wolfing
2010-04-19 13:41:34 UTC
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Post by M.S.
I actually find it kinda sad that Sony removed the official support of
Linux.
On the other hand am I happy because it's also kills a possibly soon hack
of the PlayStation 3.
Thinking about it, Sony actually did the right thing.
Hackers already ruined the PSX and PSP by the usage of modchips and
Custom FirmWare (even the PS2 I believe).
The dude who tried to hack Sony's newest console may have failed anyway
in trying it, but blocking Linux kills off the hackers even more than
before.
So I'm sure we wont see a PS3-CFW for now ;)
just wait for the class action lawsuit, which I'm sure will come. Sony
is at fault, they are removing capabilities from equipment they sold
and advertised as having it (not matter if only 1% of users actually
use it).
GMAN
2010-04-19 19:09:04 UTC
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Post by Wolfing
Post by M.S.
I actually find it kinda sad that Sony removed the official support of
Linux.
On the other hand am I happy because it's also kills a possibly soon hack
of the PlayStation 3.
Thinking about it, Sony actually did the right thing.
Hackers already ruined the PSX and PSP by the usage of modchips and
Custom FirmWare (even the PS2 I believe).
The dude who tried to hack Sony's newest console may have failed anyway
in trying it, but blocking Linux kills off the hackers even more than
before.
So I'm sure we wont see a PS3-CFW for now ;)
just wait for the class action lawsuit, which I'm sure will come. Sony
is at fault, they are removing capabilities from equipment they sold
and advertised as having it (not matter if only 1% of users actually
use it).
I never seen an official add that ever spouted that as a feature.
NiKo
2010-04-20 12:16:50 UTC
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Post by GMAN
Post by Wolfing
Post by M.S.
I actually find it kinda sad that Sony removed the official support of
Linux.
On the other hand am I happy because it's also kills a possibly soon hack
of the PlayStation 3.
Thinking about it, Sony actually did the right thing.
Hackers already ruined the PSX and PSP by the usage of modchips and
Custom FirmWare (even the PS2 I believe).
The dude who tried to hack Sony's newest console may have failed anyway
in trying it, but blocking Linux kills off the hackers even more than
before.
So I'm sure we wont see a PS3-CFW for now ;)
just wait for the class action lawsuit, which I'm sure will come. Sony
is at fault, they are removing capabilities from equipment they sold
and advertised as having it (not matter if only 1% of users actually
use it).
I never seen an official add that ever spouted that as a feature.
http://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/cbe-oss-dev/2010-February/007202.html
http://www.playstation.com/ps3-openplatform/index.html

Now, you can't tell that anymore.
And the fact is : You (If you haven't updated yet) have a line in the
XMB which purpose to boot on OtherOS. You can't say anymore it was not a
feature.
--
Le mode sans échec de Windows est la preuve que son
mode normal est un échec !

SONY : It only does everything ... until we remove !
PS3 Firmware update 3.21 :
The first software update which downgrade !
NiKo
2010-04-20 12:19:19 UTC
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Post by GMAN
Post by Wolfing
Post by M.S.
I actually find it kinda sad that Sony removed the official support of
Linux.
On the other hand am I happy because it's also kills a possibly soon hack
of the PlayStation 3.
Thinking about it, Sony actually did the right thing.
Hackers already ruined the PSX and PSP by the usage of modchips and
Custom FirmWare (even the PS2 I believe).
The dude who tried to hack Sony's newest console may have failed anyway
in trying it, but blocking Linux kills off the hackers even more than
before.
So I'm sure we wont see a PS3-CFW for now ;)
just wait for the class action lawsuit, which I'm sure will come. Sony
is at fault, they are removing capabilities from equipment they sold
and advertised as having it (not matter if only 1% of users actually
use it).
I never seen an official add that ever spouted that as a feature.
Ah, and :

In addition, disabling the “Other OS” feature ...

Found in the official announcement of 3.21 downgrade here :

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/03/28/ps3-firmware-v3-21-update/

So, even if SONY said '“Other OS” feature' you try to tell us it was not
a feature ?
--
Le mode sans échec de Windows est la preuve que son
mode normal est un échec !

SONY : It only does everything ... until we remove !
PS3 Firmware update 3.21 :
The first software update which downgrade !
The alMIGHTY N
2010-04-20 14:24:00 UTC
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Post by NiKo
Post by GMAN
Post by Wolfing
Post by M.S.
I actually find it kinda sad that Sony removed the official support of
Linux.
On the other hand am I happy because it's also kills a possibly soon hack
of the PlayStation 3.
Thinking about it, Sony actually did the right thing.
Hackers already ruined the PSX and PSP by the usage of modchips and
Custom FirmWare (even the PS2 I believe).
The dude who tried to hack Sony's newest console may have failed anyway
in trying it, but blocking Linux kills off the hackers even more than
before.
So I'm sure we wont see a PS3-CFW for now ;)
just wait for the class action lawsuit, which I'm sure will come. Sony
is at fault, they are removing capabilities from equipment they sold
and advertised as having it (not matter if only 1% of users actually
use it).
I never seen an official add that ever spouted that as a feature.
In addition, disabling the “Other OS” feature ...
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/03/28/ps3-firmware-v3-21-update/
So, even if SONY said '“Other OS” feature' you try to tell us it was not
a feature ?
He never said that it wasn't a feature. He simply said that he didn't
see advertisements that touted that feature.
Post by NiKo
--
Le mode sans échec de Windows est la preuve que son
mode normal est un échec !
SONY : It only does everything ... until we remove !
  The first software update which downgrade !
GMAN
2010-04-20 16:19:43 UTC
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Post by The alMIGHTY N
Post by GMAN
Post by Wolfing
I actually find it kinda sad that Sony removed the official support o=
f
Post by GMAN
Post by Wolfing
Linux.
On the other hand am I happy because it's also kills a possibly soon =
hack
Post by GMAN
Post by Wolfing
of the PlayStation 3.
Thinking about it, Sony actually did the right thing.
Hackers already ruined the PSX and PSP by the usage of modchips and
Custom FirmWare (even the PS2 I believe).
The dude who tried to hack Sony's newest console may have failed anyw=
ay
Post by GMAN
Post by Wolfing
in trying it, but blocking Linux kills off the hackers even more than
before.
So I'm sure we wont see a PS3-CFW for now ;)
just wait for the class action lawsuit, which I'm sure will come. Sony
is at fault, they are removing capabilities from equipment they sold
and advertised as having it (not matter if only 1% of users actually
use it).
I never seen an official add that ever spouted that as a feature.
In addition, disabling the =93Other OS=94 feature ...
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/03/28/ps3-firmware-v3-21-update/
So, even if SONY said '=93Other OS=94 feature' you try to tell us it was =
not
a feature ?
Yeah, that was what i meant. I'm just saying that even though it existed, Sony
didnt in any major way use it as THE selling point for the system.
Post by The alMIGHTY N
He never said that it wasn't a feature. He simply said that he didn't
see advertisements that touted that feature.
--
Le mode sans =E9chec de Windows est la preuve que son
mode normal est un =E9chec !
SONY : It only does everything ... until we remove !
=A0 The first software update which downgrade !
Doug Jacobs
2010-04-21 22:47:19 UTC
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Post by GMAN
Yeah, that was what i meant. I'm just saying that even though it existed, Sony
didnt in any major way use it as THE selling point for the system.
It doesn't have to be touted as a major feature. Just appearing on a spec
sheet or list of features on the box itself is enough to establish it as a
marketable feature. Otherwise, why list it?

You can also probably dig up an article or interview in which a Sony
executive touted the alternate-OS feature of the PS3 as something to
differentiate them from Microsoft and Nintendo.

No, it was never a big feature, but it was a feature, and now it's been
removed.
--
It's not broken. It's...advanced.
Jim
2010-04-26 12:22:20 UTC
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Post by Doug Jacobs
You can also probably dig up an article or interview in which a Sony
executive touted the alternate-OS feature of the PS3 as something to
differentiate them from Microsoft and Nintendo.
Crazy Ken called the PS3 a computer not a console. While he didn't mention
Linux its hard to consider it one when all you have is the locked down
GameOS.
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=9642

NiKo
2010-04-20 22:43:07 UTC
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Post by The alMIGHTY N
Post by NiKo
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/03/28/ps3-firmware-v3-21-update/
So, even if SONY said '“Other OS” feature' you try to tell us it was not
a feature ?
He never said that it wasn't a feature. He simply said that he didn't
see advertisements that touted that feature.
http://www.playstation.com/ps3-openplatform/index.html

And here, isn't it an official advertisement of the 'OtherOS' on the
official playstation site ?
--
Le mode sans échec de Windows est la preuve que son
mode normal est un échec !

SONY : It only does everything ... until we remove !
PS3 Firmware update 3.21 :
The first software update which downgrade !
The alMIGHTY N
2010-04-21 19:21:50 UTC
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Post by NiKo
Post by The alMIGHTY N
Post by NiKo
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/03/28/ps3-firmware-v3-21-update/
So, even if SONY said '“Other OS” feature' you try to tell us it was not
a feature ?
He never said that it wasn't a feature. He simply said that he didn't
see advertisements that touted that feature.
http://www.playstation.com/ps3-openplatform/index.html
And here, isn't it an official advertisement of the 'OtherOS' on the
official playstation site ?
You seem to have trouble understanding the phrase "he didn't see."

Also, how did you even come across that page? I just spent a lot more
time than the average web user does on a particular website looking
for a link to get there and didn't see one anywhere.

Most people are talking about commercials, magazine spreads or those
annoying little pop-up ads on websites when they say "advertisement."

Of course, that's irrelevant to the law in question itself, which
indicates that even a representative of the company talking about a
feature at a conference amounts to "advertising."
Post by NiKo
--
Le mode sans échec de Windows est la preuve que son
mode normal est un échec !
SONY : It only does everything ... until we remove !
  The first software update which downgrade !
NiKo
2010-04-21 21:16:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by The alMIGHTY N
Also, how did you even come across that page? I just spent a lot more
time than the average web user does on a particular website looking
for a link to get there and didn't see one anywhere.
google : install linux ps3 playstation

You may find :

Open Platform for PLAYSTATION®3
By installing the Linux operating system, you can use the PS3™ system
not only as an ... Installation of the Linux operating system requires
that the PS3™ ...
www.playstation.com/ps3.../index.html
--
Le mode sans échec de Windows est la preuve que son
mode normal est un échec !

SONY : It only does everything ... until we remove !
PS3 Firmware update 3.21 :
The first software update which downgrade !
The alMIGHTY N
2010-04-22 14:21:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by NiKo
Post by The alMIGHTY N
Also, how did you even come across that page? I just spent a lot more
time than the average web user does on a particular website looking
for a link to get there and didn't see one anywhere.
google : install linux ps3 playstation
That's what I figured you did. A Google search result that points you
to some deep part of a website that you can't easily access through
normal means from the homepage hardly amounts to advertising.

Of course, I'm aware of the distinct possibility that the page is only
now unreachable through normal navigation *because* of their decision
to remove the feature...
Post by NiKo
Open Platform for PLAYSTATION®3
By installing the Linux operating system, you can use the PS3™ system
not only as an ... Installation of the Linux operating system requires
that the PS3™ ...www.playstation.com/ps3.../index.html
--
Le mode sans échec de Windows est la preuve que son
mode normal est un échec !
SONY : It only does everything ... until we remove !
  The first software update which downgrade !
NiKo
2010-04-21 21:23:36 UTC
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The alMIGHTY N a écrit :

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/osinstall.html

It's in the Online Manual too ... Hard for sony to say it's not a feature !
--
Le mode sans échec de Windows est la preuve que son
mode normal est un échec !

SONY : It only does everything ... until we remove !
PS3 Firmware update 3.21 :
The first software update which downgrade !
The alMIGHTY N
2010-04-22 14:23:02 UTC
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http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/osins...
It's in the Online Manual too ... Hard for sony to say it's not a feature !
a) Sony never said it wasn't a feature.

b) Same deal as with that other link you referenced - you can't reach
that manual page through normal navigation (click the parent page in
the breadcrumb trail and you'll see that there is no mention of the
"Install Other OS" feature).
--
Le mode sans chec de Windows est la preuve que son
mode normal est un chec !
SONY : It only does everything ... until we remove !
  The first software update which downgrade !
NiKo
2010-04-22 15:07:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by The alMIGHTY N
http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/osins...
It's in the Online Manual too ... Hard for sony to say it's not a feature !
a) Sony never said it wasn't a feature.
b) Same deal as with that other link you referenced - you can't reach
that manual page through normal navigation (click the parent page in
the breadcrumb trail and you'll see that there is no mention of the
"Install Other OS" feature).
You can't since 3.21. Before this update, you were able to access this
page straight from the manual menu.
--
Le mode sans échec de Windows est la preuve que son
mode normal est un échec !

SONY : It only does everything ... until we remove !
PS3 Firmware update 3.21 :
The first software update which downgrade !
The alMIGHTY N
2010-04-22 18:18:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by NiKo
Post by The alMIGHTY N
http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/osins...
It's in the Online Manual too ... Hard for sony to say it's not a feature !
a) Sony never said it wasn't a feature.
b) Same deal as with that other link you referenced - you can't reach
that manual page through normal navigation (click the parent page in
the breadcrumb trail and you'll see that there is no mention of the
"Install Other OS" feature).
You can't since 3.21. Before this update, you were able to access this
page straight from the manual menu.
Yep - just like that other link you posted.

It'll be interesting to see how things play out in Europe. Sony is
pretty clear in its terms of use about steps they would take to combat
piracy - the question is whether their terms of use can trump the law.

Since the laws in question apply to the retailer rather than the
manufacturer, it's very possible that Amazon and other stores will
simply be stuck dealing with this while Sony gets off free. Of course,
Sony may want to consider the harm that could be done to their
relationships with these businesses...
The alMIGHTY N
2010-04-20 14:25:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by GMAN
Post by Wolfing
Post by M.S.
I actually find it kinda sad that Sony removed the official support of
Linux.
On the other hand am I happy because it's also kills a possibly soon hack
of the PlayStation 3.
Thinking about it, Sony actually did the right thing.
Hackers already ruined the PSX and PSP by the usage of modchips and
Custom FirmWare (even the PS2 I believe).
The dude who tried to hack Sony's newest console may have failed anyway
in trying it, but blocking Linux kills off the hackers even more than
before.
So I'm sure we wont see a PS3-CFW for now ;)
just wait for the class action lawsuit, which I'm sure will come. Sony
is at fault, they are removing capabilities from equipment they sold
and advertised as having it (not matter if only 1% of users actually
use it).
I never seen an official add that ever spouted that as a feature.
Some website posted excerpts from the laws in question that indicated
that Sony didn't have to have put the feature into an actual
commercial or magazine ad - just speaking about it at conferences or
in interviews was more than enough to qualify the feature as an
"advertised" one.
NiKo
2010-04-20 22:28:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by The alMIGHTY N
Post by GMAN
Post by Wolfing
Post by M.S.
I actually find it kinda sad that Sony removed the official support of
Linux.
On the other hand am I happy because it's also kills a possibly soon hack
of the PlayStation 3.
Thinking about it, Sony actually did the right thing.
Hackers already ruined the PSX and PSP by the usage of modchips and
Custom FirmWare (even the PS2 I believe).
The dude who tried to hack Sony's newest console may have failed anyway
in trying it, but blocking Linux kills off the hackers even more than
before.
So I'm sure we wont see a PS3-CFW for now ;)
just wait for the class action lawsuit, which I'm sure will come. Sony
is at fault, they are removing capabilities from equipment they sold
and advertised as having it (not matter if only 1% of users actually
use it).
I never seen an official add that ever spouted that as a feature.
Some website posted excerpts from the laws in question that indicated
that Sony didn't have to have put the feature into an actual
commercial or magazine ad - just speaking about it at conferences or
in interviews was more than enough to qualify the feature as an
"advertised" one.
From EU laws, the simple fact the feature was on the product we buy
(Even if they didn't tell anybody about this) is sufficient.

<<Article 2

Conformity with the contract

1. The seller must deliver goods to the consumer which are in conformity
with the contract of sale.

2. Consumer goods are presumed to be in conformity with the contract if
they:

(a) comply with the description given by the seller and possess the
qualities of the goods which the seller has held out to the consumer as
a sample or model;>>

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31999L0044:EN:HTML
--
Le mode sans échec de Windows est la preuve que son
mode normal est un échec !

SONY : It only does everything ... until we remove !
PS3 Firmware update 3.21 :
The first software update which downgrade !
GMAN
2010-04-21 16:47:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by NiKo
Post by The alMIGHTY N
In article
Post by Wolfing
Post by M.S.
I actually find it kinda sad that Sony removed the official support of
Linux.
On the other hand am I happy because it's also kills a possibly soon hack
of the PlayStation 3.
Thinking about it, Sony actually did the right thing.
Hackers already ruined the PSX and PSP by the usage of modchips and
Custom FirmWare (even the PS2 I believe).
The dude who tried to hack Sony's newest console may have failed anyway
in trying it, but blocking Linux kills off the hackers even more than
before.
So I'm sure we wont see a PS3-CFW for now ;)
just wait for the class action lawsuit, which I'm sure will come. Sony
is at fault, they are removing capabilities from equipment they sold
and advertised as having it (not matter if only 1% of users actually
use it).
I never seen an official add that ever spouted that as a feature.
Some website posted excerpts from the laws in question that indicated
that Sony didn't have to have put the feature into an actual
commercial or magazine ad - just speaking about it at conferences or
in interviews was more than enough to qualify the feature as an
"advertised" one.
From EU laws, the simple fact the feature was on the product we buy
(Even if they didn't tell anybody about this) is sufficient.
<<Article 2
Well according to your EU laws, the freedoms that they daily remove from the
lives people of Europe comnstitutes a violation of you laws.
Post by NiKo
Conformity with the contract
1. The seller must deliver goods to the consumer which are in conformity
with the contract of sale.
2. Consumer goods are presumed to be in conformity with the contract if
(a) comply with the description given by the seller and possess the
qualities of the goods which the seller has held out to the consumer as
a sample or model;>>
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31999L0044:EN:HTML
The alMIGHTY N
2010-04-21 19:26:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by NiKo
Post by The alMIGHTY N
Post by GMAN
Post by Wolfing
Post by M.S.
I actually find it kinda sad that Sony removed the official support of
Linux.
On the other hand am I happy because it's also kills a possibly soon hack
of the PlayStation 3.
Thinking about it, Sony actually did the right thing.
Hackers already ruined the PSX and PSP by the usage of modchips and
Custom FirmWare (even the PS2 I believe).
The dude who tried to hack Sony's newest console may have failed anyway
in trying it, but blocking Linux kills off the hackers even more than
before.
So I'm sure we wont see a PS3-CFW for now ;)
just wait for the class action lawsuit, which I'm sure will come. Sony
is at fault, they are removing capabilities from equipment they sold
and advertised as having it (not matter if only 1% of users actually
use it).
I never seen an official add that ever spouted that as a feature.
Some website posted excerpts from the laws in question that indicated
that Sony didn't have to have put the feature into an actual
commercial or magazine ad - just speaking about it at conferences or
in interviews was more than enough to qualify the feature as an
"advertised" one.
From EU laws, the simple fact the feature was on the product we buy
(Even if they didn't tell anybody about this) is sufficient.
<<Article 2
Conformity with the contract
1. The seller must deliver goods to the consumer which are in conformity
with the contract of sale.
2. Consumer goods are presumed to be in conformity with the contract if
(a) comply with the description given by the seller and possess the
qualities of the goods which the seller has held out to the consumer as
a sample or model;>>
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31999L004...
Sony is in no violation of the law you referenced above as described
by the text you referenced above.

Sony did indeed "deliver goods to the consumer which are in conformity
with the contract of sale."

Logically, if the feature was removed from your OS, you at one point
had that feature, so when you purchased the system it functioned
exactly as the advertisements for that console described.

That Sony later removed the feature from the OS in no way violates a
law that defines what the product must be like at the point of sale.
Post by NiKo
--
Le mode sans échec de Windows est la preuve que son
mode normal est un échec !
SONY : It only does everything ... until we remove !
  The first software update which downgrade !
NiKo
2010-04-21 20:33:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by The alMIGHTY N
Post by NiKo
Post by The alMIGHTY N
Post by GMAN
Post by Wolfing
Post by M.S.
I actually find it kinda sad that Sony removed the official support of
Linux.
On the other hand am I happy because it's also kills a possibly soon hack
of the PlayStation 3.
Thinking about it, Sony actually did the right thing.
Hackers already ruined the PSX and PSP by the usage of modchips and
Custom FirmWare (even the PS2 I believe).
The dude who tried to hack Sony's newest console may have failed anyway
in trying it, but blocking Linux kills off the hackers even more than
before.
So I'm sure we wont see a PS3-CFW for now ;)
just wait for the class action lawsuit, which I'm sure will come. Sony
is at fault, they are removing capabilities from equipment they sold
and advertised as having it (not matter if only 1% of users actually
use it).
I never seen an official add that ever spouted that as a feature.
Some website posted excerpts from the laws in question that indicated
that Sony didn't have to have put the feature into an actual
commercial or magazine ad - just speaking about it at conferences or
in interviews was more than enough to qualify the feature as an
"advertised" one.
From EU laws, the simple fact the feature was on the product we buy
(Even if they didn't tell anybody about this) is sufficient.
<<Article 2
Conformity with the contract
1. The seller must deliver goods to the consumer which are in conformity
with the contract of sale.
2. Consumer goods are presumed to be in conformity with the contract if
(a) comply with the description given by the seller and possess the
qualities of the goods which the seller has held out to the consumer as
a sample or model;>>
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31999L004...
Sony is in no violation of the law you referenced above as described
by the text you referenced above.
Sony did indeed "deliver goods to the consumer which are in conformity
with the contract of sale."
Logically, if the feature was removed from your OS, you at one point
had that feature, so when you purchased the system it functioned
exactly as the advertisements for that console described.
That Sony later removed the feature from the OS in no way violates a
law that defines what the product must be like at the point of sale.
False.

1) The problem is, anyway, not with sony with this law, but with the
seller. It's to the seller to ask SONY for refund, to compensate the
money they lost by refunding custommers.
2) We have two years since the product start to not comply with what we
buy it for to ask for refund at the reseler, and with no limit in time.
The product, today, did not comply with what we buy it for.
3) Amazon as refund a custommer with this law. why if, as you said,
there is no problem ?
--
Le mode sans échec de Windows est la preuve que son
mode normal est un échec !

SONY : It only does everything ... until we remove !
PS3 Firmware update 3.21 :
The first software update which downgrade !
The alMIGHTY N
2010-04-22 14:29:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by NiKo
Post by The alMIGHTY N
Post by NiKo
Post by The alMIGHTY N
Post by GMAN
Post by Wolfing
Post by M.S.
I actually find it kinda sad that Sony removed the official support of
Linux.
On the other hand am I happy because it's also kills a possibly soon hack
of the PlayStation 3.
Thinking about it, Sony actually did the right thing.
Hackers already ruined the PSX and PSP by the usage of modchips and
Custom FirmWare (even the PS2 I believe).
The dude who tried to hack Sony's newest console may have failed anyway
in trying it, but blocking Linux kills off the hackers even more than
before.
So I'm sure we wont see a PS3-CFW for now ;)
just wait for the class action lawsuit, which I'm sure will come. Sony
is at fault, they are removing capabilities from equipment they sold
and advertised as having it (not matter if only 1% of users actually
use it).
I never seen an official add that ever spouted that as a feature.
Some website posted excerpts from the laws in question that indicated
that Sony didn't have to have put the feature into an actual
commercial or magazine ad - just speaking about it at conferences or
in interviews was more than enough to qualify the feature as an
"advertised" one.
From EU laws, the simple fact the feature was on the product we buy
(Even if they didn't tell anybody about this) is sufficient.
<<Article 2
Conformity with the contract
1. The seller must deliver goods to the consumer which are in conformity
with the contract of sale.
2. Consumer goods are presumed to be in conformity with the contract if
(a) comply with the description given by the seller and possess the
qualities of the goods which the seller has held out to the consumer as
a sample or model;>>
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31999L004...
Sony is in no violation of the law you referenced above as described
by the text you referenced above.
Sony did indeed "deliver goods to the consumer which are in conformity
with the contract of sale."
Logically, if the feature was removed from your OS, you at one point
had that feature, so when you purchased the system it functioned
exactly as the advertisements for that console described.
That Sony later removed the feature from the OS in no way violates a
law that defines what the product must be like at the point of sale.
False.
1) The problem is, anyway, not with sony with this law, but with the
seller. It's to the seller to ask SONY for refund, to compensate the
money they lost by refunding custommers.
2) We have two years since the product start to not comply with what we
buy it for to ask for refund at the reseler, and with no limit in time.
The product, today, did not comply with what we buy it for.
3) Amazon as refund a custommer with this law. why if, as you said,
there is no problem ?
There's a reason I included "as described by the text you referenced
above" in my statement. You highlighted those two clauses in the law
as an attempt to prove what Sony did was wrong, which is why I pointed
out that what you highlighted proved no such thing.

With the further information you now provided about the two year
window of opportunity, I agree that Sony would have a hard time to
argue that they owe Amazon no money. If you look back at my earlier
posts about this subject, you'll find that I already pointed out how
Sony has no base to claim that this is Amazon's problem.

The only issue I would point out about your response is the
contradiction in your second statement. You first say that you have
two years to ask for a refund, but then you say you have no time
limit. Which one is it?
NiKo
2010-04-21 20:35:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by The alMIGHTY N
Post by NiKo
Post by The alMIGHTY N
Post by GMAN
Post by Wolfing
Post by M.S.
I actually find it kinda sad that Sony removed the official support of
Linux.
On the other hand am I happy because it's also kills a possibly soon hack
of the PlayStation 3.
Thinking about it, Sony actually did the right thing.
Hackers already ruined the PSX and PSP by the usage of modchips and
Custom FirmWare (even the PS2 I believe).
The dude who tried to hack Sony's newest console may have failed anyway
in trying it, but blocking Linux kills off the hackers even more than
before.
So I'm sure we wont see a PS3-CFW for now ;)
just wait for the class action lawsuit, which I'm sure will come. Sony
is at fault, they are removing capabilities from equipment they sold
and advertised as having it (not matter if only 1% of users actually
use it).
I never seen an official add that ever spouted that as a feature.
Some website posted excerpts from the laws in question that indicated
that Sony didn't have to have put the feature into an actual
commercial or magazine ad - just speaking about it at conferences or
in interviews was more than enough to qualify the feature as an
"advertised" one.
From EU laws, the simple fact the feature was on the product we buy
(Even if they didn't tell anybody about this) is sufficient.
<<Article 2
Conformity with the contract
1. The seller must deliver goods to the consumer which are in conformity
with the contract of sale.
2. Consumer goods are presumed to be in conformity with the contract if
(a) comply with the description given by the seller and possess the
qualities of the goods which the seller has held out to the consumer as
a sample or model;>>
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31999L004...
Sony is in no violation of the law you referenced above as described
by the text you referenced above.
Sony did indeed "deliver goods to the consumer which are in conformity
with the contract of sale."
Logically, if the feature was removed from your OS, you at one point
had that feature, so when you purchased the system it functioned
exactly as the advertisements for that console described.
That Sony later removed the feature from the OS in no way violates a
law that defines what the product must be like at the point of sale.
And: Did you know you can buy directly from SONY ? In this cas, SONY is
the reseller, and is under this law.
--
Le mode sans échec de Windows est la preuve que son
mode normal est un échec !

SONY : It only does everything ... until we remove !
PS3 Firmware update 3.21 :
The first software update which downgrade !
The alMIGHTY N
2010-04-22 14:35:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by NiKo
Post by The alMIGHTY N
Post by NiKo
Post by The alMIGHTY N
Post by GMAN
Post by Wolfing
Post by M.S.
I actually find it kinda sad that Sony removed the official support of
Linux.
On the other hand am I happy because it's also kills a possibly soon hack
of the PlayStation 3.
Thinking about it, Sony actually did the right thing.
Hackers already ruined the PSX and PSP by the usage of modchips and
Custom FirmWare (even the PS2 I believe).
The dude who tried to hack Sony's newest console may have failed anyway
in trying it, but blocking Linux kills off the hackers even more than
before.
So I'm sure we wont see a PS3-CFW for now ;)
just wait for the class action lawsuit, which I'm sure will come. Sony
is at fault, they are removing capabilities from equipment they sold
and advertised as having it (not matter if only 1% of users actually
use it).
I never seen an official add that ever spouted that as a feature.
Some website posted excerpts from the laws in question that indicated
that Sony didn't have to have put the feature into an actual
commercial or magazine ad - just speaking about it at conferences or
in interviews was more than enough to qualify the feature as an
"advertised" one.
From EU laws, the simple fact the feature was on the product we buy
(Even if they didn't tell anybody about this) is sufficient.
<<Article 2
Conformity with the contract
1. The seller must deliver goods to the consumer which are in conformity
with the contract of sale.
2. Consumer goods are presumed to be in conformity with the contract if
(a) comply with the description given by the seller and possess the
qualities of the goods which the seller has held out to the consumer as
a sample or model;>>
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31999L004...
Sony is in no violation of the law you referenced above as described
by the text you referenced above.
Sony did indeed "deliver goods to the consumer which are in conformity
with the contract of sale."
Logically, if the feature was removed from your OS, you at one point
had that feature, so when you purchased the system it functioned
exactly as the advertisements for that console described.
That Sony later removed the feature from the OS in no way violates a
law that defines what the product must be like at the point of sale.
And: Did you know you can buy directly from SONY ? In this cas, SONY is
the reseller, and is under this law.
Interestingly enough, the hacker who most see as the reason Sony
pulled this gamble in the first place alleges he was able to
reactivate the "Install Other OS" feature *after* updating his
firmware to 3.21!

Now *THAT'S* funny.
Doug Jacobs
2010-04-21 23:20:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by The alMIGHTY N
Some website posted excerpts from the laws in question that indicated
that Sony didn't have to have put the feature into an actual
commercial or magazine ad - just speaking about it at conferences or
in interviews was more than enough to qualify the feature as an
"advertised" one.
That is my experience as well, when I was working for a company that
wanted to release an update that removed a feature.

Note that this was for a product that had barely gotten any advertising
(start-up) and for a feature that only appeared on a marketing feature
sheet.

Even our customers wanted the feature killed as it caused them more
headaches than it solved, but the best we were able to give them was the
ability to turn it off for their users.
--
It's not broken. It's...advanced.
Doug Jacobs
2010-04-21 22:43:36 UTC
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Post by GMAN
I never seen an official add that ever spouted that as a feature.
It's on the packaging and on Sony's official press releases - that's more
than the courts need.

The laws in Europe are quite clear about this.

The case for the US is fuzzier, but if Europe pushes ahead with a case,
it'll be a great precedent for the US version.
--
It's not broken. It's...advanced.
The alMIGHTY N
2010-04-22 14:37:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Doug Jacobs
Post by GMAN
I never seen an official add that ever spouted that as a feature.
It's on the packaging and on Sony's official press releases - that's more
than the courts need.
The laws in Europe are quite clear about this.
The case for the US is fuzzier, but if Europe pushes ahead with a case,
it'll be a great precedent for the US version.
Not necessarily - consumer protection laws are much less strict here
than they are in Europe. In Europe, it's all about the consumer. Hell,
everything has to have a two-year warranty *minimum* over there.
The alMIGHTY N
2010-04-22 20:23:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Doug Jacobs
Post by GMAN
I never seen an official add that ever spouted that as a feature.
It's on the packaging and on Sony's official press releases - that's more
than the courts need.
The laws in Europe are quite clear about this.
The case for the US is fuzzier, but if Europe pushes ahead with a case,
it'll be a great precedent for the US version.
Apparently, the End User License Agreement for the Sony PlayStation 3
explicitly states that by using the system the user accepts that Sony
has the right to revise or remove features and functionality as they
see fit in an attempt to prevent piracy or the use of hardware or
software that Sony has not authorized:

"Without limitation, services may include the provision of the latest
update or download of new release that may include security patches,
new technology or revised settings and features which may prevent
access to unauthorized or pirated content, or use of unauthorized
hardware or software in connection with the PS3 system."

The question is whether such an End User License Agreement would hold
water in U.S. courts. We discussed this topic a little while back.

According to Wikipedia, pretty much only the courts of appeal for the
7th circuit (Illinois, Indiana and Wisconsin) and 8th circuit
(Arkansas, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, and North and South
Dakota) support the "licensed not sold" perspective in which case Sony
would have the advantage.
Doug Jacobs
2010-04-21 22:22:26 UTC
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Post by M.S.
Thinking about it, Sony actually did the right thing.
Hackers already ruined the PSX and PSP by the usage of modchips and
Custom FirmWare (even the PS2 I believe).
How did this "ruin" them?

I agree that the hacks open the path for piracy, but at the same time,
they also allow you to play homebrew and other (legal!) apps. On the PSP,
for instance, you can dump your (legal!) game from UMD to memory stick so
you get better load times and longer battery life.

If you're talking about cheaters, they've been using tricks that don't
involve firmware, so they won't be affected by this change of Sony's
anyways.
Post by M.S.
The dude who tried to hack Sony's newest console may have failed anyway
in trying it, but blocking Linux kills off the hackers even more than
before.
So I'm sure we wont see a PS3-CFW for now ;)
At least until they figure out how to put customized firmware on the PS3
again...followed by another update by Sony to block THAT version, followed
by the hackers releasing another hack to get around THAT version of
Sony's...and so on, and so on, and so on...

Basically it'll turn into the back-and-forth you see on the Wii.
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It's not broken. It's...advanced.
The alMIGHTY N
2010-04-22 14:41:40 UTC
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Post by Doug Jacobs
Post by M.S.
Thinking about it, Sony actually did the right thing.
Hackers already ruined the PSX and PSP by the usage of modchips and
Custom FirmWare (even the PS2 I believe).
How did this "ruin" them?
I agree that the hacks open the path for piracy, but at the same time,
they also allow you to play homebrew and other (legal!) apps.  On the PSP,
for instance, you can dump your (legal!) game from UMD to memory stick so
you get better load times and longer battery life.
Hallelujah! I actually haven't done this at all with the PSP, but I
did this *all the time* with the Xbox.

My buddy refused to use a modchip for the Xbox out of principle, but
always got jealous when I told him how little load time I had to sit
through.

The best was Knights of the Old Republic where the load screens only
lasted a few seconds.
Post by Doug Jacobs
If you're talking about cheaters, they've been using tricks that don't
involve firmware, so they won't be affected by this change of Sony's
anyways.
I think he's just talking about pirates. PSP piracy is very prevalent.
Post by Doug Jacobs
Post by M.S.
The dude who tried to hack Sony's newest console may have failed anyway
in trying it, but blocking Linux kills off the hackers even more than
before.
So I'm sure we wont see a PS3-CFW for now ;)
At least until they figure out how to put customized firmware on the PS3
again...followed by another update by Sony to block THAT version, followed
by the hackers releasing another hack to get around THAT version of
Sony's...and so on, and so on, and so on...
That's pretty much how it works on the PSP.
Post by Doug Jacobs
Basically it'll turn into the back-and-forth you see on the Wii.
It's much more prevalent on the PSP. There have been dozens of
firmware updates and custom firmware updates.
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